Target not connecting

While trying to resolve another issue 2 of my test sites will no longer connect via ftp to their target I get this error

the exact same details connect in Dreamweaver

Using with passive checked

One of my 3 test sites does connect with wappler. The retry message seems to indicate that while changing settings etc I may have exceeded the retries but the fact that I am able to connect otherwise seems to indicate that its on the wappler side and not the host